[Kept in Translation] Heroes of the Storm: RAVE HOTS (June 2016)


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 Table of Contents

  1. Organization History: RAVE HOTS
    • Establishment
    • Status Quo & Future Plans
    • Philosophy
  2. Comprehensive Season Review
  3. Team Operations
    • Practice Schedule & Structure
    • Team Communication
    • Training Tips for Casuals
  4. Evaluating Other Teams
    • MVP Black
    • TNL
    • Tempest
    • RAVE HOTS’s Place in the World
    • ‘International Superteam’
    • NA vs EU?
    • Favorite Foreign Players & Teams
  5. Thoughts on the Game
    • The ‘Support = Healbot’ Controversy
    • Most/Least Favorite Map
    • Favorite Heroes to Play
    • Most Disappointing Heroes
    • Most/Least Favorite Things About the Game
    • How Important is Individual Skill?
    • ‘Hero League Meta’
    • Add These Heroes: Blizzard Please
    • Balance Patches: Blizzard Please
  6. Thoughts on their Careers & the Scene
    • Why Did You Decide to Go Pro?
    • How Long Do You Want to Play?
    • Plans After Eventual Retirement
    • State of the Korean Scene
    • State of Korean Hero League
    • Suggestions: Blizzard Please
  7. Miscellaneous Questions
    • Will RAVE HOTS Stream on Twitch?

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Organization History: RAVE HOTS

  • Establishment
    • Pyeong ‘pYung’ Kwon – current founder, head coach and owner of RAVE – is a former DotA 2 professional player who switched to management after retiring.
    • It is important to note that while RAVE’s Philippine DotA 2 team was created by pYung, he had no actual part in the birth of its Heroes of the Storm team. RAVE HOTS was created by kyrasyN – a close friend of pYung’s – asking if he could use the RAVE brand to attract players to his new team. kyrasyN left the team after a few months, but pYung kept RAVE HOTS and managed it ever since.
    • Incidentally, kira (formerly known as kyrasyN) returned to RAVE this March in order to coach and play for RAVE’s new Overwatch team. Their entire OW team was bought out recently by Maximum Impact Gaming, however.

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  • Status Quo & Future Plans
    • RAVE HOTS lives together in a teamhouse. While often overseas with the DotA 2 team, Head Coach pYung presides over training sessions whenever he can.
    • RAVE HOTS have no roster changes planned as of the moment, but will probably experiment extensively with roleswaps.
  • Philosophy
    • Source Interview (Inven)
    • pYung: “My players are honest, hard workers; if RAVE HOTS does well, that’s on the players, not me. I do help them find sponsors, provide moral support and/or guidance, and take care of some managerial duties, but that’s about it.”
    • “In this genre, individual skill starts to matter less once you move past a certain level of play. Acuity in the draft, general experience, in-game decisionmaking… these things have a greater impact on how well a team can perform.”
    • “The thing I look for most in a player is a proper mindset. Every other factor – even mechanics – can be developed with time as long as the right attitude is there: I proved this with my DotA 2 team. Immature players that get angry at their team and demotivate everyone, on the other hand, never make it far.”

Comprehensive Season Review

Quarterfinals Group A:
Mighty vs RAVE HOTS

  • Retrospective Comments on Match 1
    • “We almost never lost with the Greymane + Li-Ming duo in scrims; that was enough reason for us to heavily prioritize them both. Obviously the meta has shifted since then, so taking them together now isn’t as great, but back then, it was a draft approach that was working very well for us.”
    • “The Butcher pick was unexpected, but we were aware of its power level as we also had been preparing it for use.”
    • Support Jfeel: “Many teams bash solo support Tyrande but I disagree. Solo support Tyrande means that you have to always be the aggressor; that’s it. Picking solo support Tyrande was not the reason why we lost. We lost by failing to ceaselessly gank and initiate.”

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  • Retrospective Comments on Match 2
    • “We are aware first banning Falstad was not exactly meta at the time, but we really hated playing against Falstad in general. It was a nuisance to our approach to the game back then: diving headfirst into teamfights together with at least one – but preferably two – resets.”
    • “You’re correct, picking Sylvanas instead of Tyrael would have been better for us. It does not mean that the Tyrael was a bad pick, just that Sylvanas would have answered their Abathur thoroughly.”
  • Retrospective Comments on Match 3
    • “We left Illidan open because we believed Infernal Shrines was Illidan’s worst map. On other maps we would not have done so.”
    • “While our attempts to ambush and end may have looked greedy, that was probably only because we just played those teamfights poorly. The call was fine. Our execution was the problem.”
    • “Mighty’s hilarious throw might not have been one if Uther hadn’t chased Rehgar and had gone with his team to the Core instead. We got lucky.”

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  • Retrospective Comments on Match 4
    • “You’re going to ask us about Sgt. Hammer, right?… (collective sigh)”
    • “We pulled out the composition we did because we had so much success with it in scrims. It was very prepared. We even convincingly beat – was it MVP Black or TNL? – just by virtue of the map-specific cheese. We had it nailed down to the very drafting order – first ban Abathur into Li-Ming > Uther > Zeratul > Stitches > Sgt. Hammer.”
    • Support Jfeel: “Gilduck always plays weird stuff in Hero League and tries to make it work. We never let him go crazy in training, but once in a while he comes up with something actually promising. This was one of those rare occasions in which Gilduck managed to convince us to try his cheese and it worked out very consistently.”
    • Flex Gilduck: “I’m one of ‘those people’ infatuated with offmeta picks and experimentation… I’m the Murky in your Hero League games :^)”
    • “We lost due to two things: too much blind faith in our cheese and really bad gameplan execution. If we had scrapped the cheese in favor of standard picks in our last pick rotation, or had just played better overall, the game would not have ended in such embarrassing fashion. Mighty unwittingly drafting a composition extremely resistant to our strategy threw us off a lot; we had never faced such a tough ‘counterpick’ in scrims and as such had not prepared for this scenario.”

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  • Retrospective Comments on the Series
    • “We were extremely disappointed because we had amazing scrim results in the weeks leading up to the series. We won the clear majority of scrims against Mighty and even more against teams regarded higher at the time. We knew transferring scrim performance to stage performance was not going to be easy, especially with a new roster, but the letdown was real.”
    • Flex Gilduck: “Sgt. Hammer is a bad hero and I should feel bad.”

Quarterfinals Group A Losers Bracket:
RAVE HOTS vs RoMg

  • Retrospective Comments on Match 1
    • “We did not take Illidan because we still believed Illidan was relatively subpar on Infernal Shrines.”
    • “Taking Tyrande in the draft early was worth it. The ETC + Tyrande + Tassadar trio was even more solid back then. Zero regrets.”
    • “We did not lose due to Azmodan – well, since Azmodan dunked our Falstad for half his health to virtually end the game, the casual viewers may think so – but we were in firm control of the game for the majority of it. We did not press our advantage hard enough and were punished for it when Falstad mispositioned.”
    • “You are right in saying Valla was not a great pick, especially into Johanna, but we could think of no better alternative at the time so went with a comfort pick.”
  • Retrospective Comments on Match 2
    • “Our draft was suddenly left in ruins as soon as RoMg took Tyrande. We were greedy as hell to take Li-Ming over Tyrande in Pick Phase 1. For some reason we naively believed RoMg would neither pick nor ban it. We practiced the ETC + Tyrande + Stitches trio so much, yet neglected to secure it. Embarrassing.”
    • “We definitely should have grabbed Sonya instead of Stitches as soon as they took Tyrande. We as a team have had problems adapting on the fly during the drafting phase; we are aiming to fix that.”

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  • Retrospective Comments on Match 3
    • “After losing to Mighty, we decided Gilduck and Nmx31 should swap positions: that’s why Gilduck was on Greymane and Nmx31 was on Tassadar for this game. As you could see, our team functioned much better this way.”
  • Retrospecitve Comments on Match 4
    • Support Jfeel: “I really had to go to the bathroom after Match 3. As you know, Superleague only lets you take a break after Match 2, so when I came back, ban phase 1 was over… and we had not banned Illidan on a map not named Infernal Shrines. (sighs)”
    • Support Jfeel: “To be honest, Uther would have been the better pick against the opposition. But I will always believe in the power of an aggressive and proactive solo support Tyrande; I’m romantic in that way. And it’s not like we lost due to Tyrande, we lost because a comeback was in our hands but we threw at Core.”
    • “Our call to rush their Core was correct; our execution messed it all up. It was a really obvious Core all-in, so everyone was in agreement with the decision, but since it was a really obvious Core all-in, everyone thought we did not need to talk about how exactly we should do it. Should we kill one then hit the Core? Should we ignore everything and just hit the Core? Should we try to wipe them all then hit the Core? Everyone had different ideas…. and it went so, so horribly wrong. (collective looks of dismay)”
  • Retrospective Comments on the Series
    • “We made way too many mistakes; no excuses. Watch out for us next season, though. We will finally show you how our scrims look like, and teams such as Mighty and RoMg will be taught to know their place :^)”

scap-hidden(Main Tank Hidden)

  • Self-Reflection & Plans for Next Season
    • “Several roleswaps are being considered although nothing is yet confirmed. We would love to discuss this in full detail, but leaking too much information would be to our competitive disadvantage. Keep an eye out for us next season!”

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Team Operations

  • Practice Schedule & Structure
    • The team practices at least twelve hours every day. If there are not many scrims to play, more Hero League is played. Twelve is the minimum.
    • The team only watches replays when teammates cannot settle a disagreement over what they should have done in a certain game.
  • Team Communication
    • Sighing during the game is strictly forbidden as it brings morale down.
    • Blaming team members in game is strictly forbidden for obvious reasons.
    • Most teams have a main shotcaller that dictates rotations and calls objectives, leaving other players to call ‘smaller’ plays such as laning phase ganks; RAVE HOTS is no different.

 

  • Training Tips for Casuals
    • Support Jfeel: “Play duo queue or team league, it is so much better than training in solo queue. If you’re a good support player, friend a tank player you can trust then spam ETC + Tyrande all day. No frustration due to a bad tank not following up on your Lunar Flares, free Elo, what’s not to like?”
    • Support Jfeel: “I used to practice basic mechanics and ability combos in Training mode when I was an amateur. I feel many casual players could benefit.”
    • Flex Gilduck: “Don’t fret about stuff like mouse sensibility and/or video options as a casual player. Whatever best suits you is the optimal setup.”
    • Main Tank Hidden: “Using the Shift key prevents mistakes and also frees your vision to look at the map. Use it often, especially when drinking or mounting.”
    • Support Jfeel: “Use chopsticks every day to attain Korean mechanics :^)”

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Evaluating Other Teams

  • MVP Black
    • “Individual skill, experience, personal friendship, confidence; they have it all. Not to mention being backed by a healthy, stable team is huge when you think of how most of their competition is faring.”
  • TNL
    • “Only MVP Black are clearly above and beyond; contrary to public opinion, all other professional teams – including TNL – are actually around the same power level.” [Note: This interview was conducted before TNL’s disbandment.]
  • Tempest
    • “Tempest has the potential to overthrow MVP Black, but we highly doubt they will do it in a few days.” [Note: This interview was conducted before the Superleague 2016 S2 Grand Finals.]
  • RAVE HOTS’s Place in the World
    • “We honestly have no idea, but would love to find out through an international tournament. We should definitely have more international events!”

 

  • ‘International Superteam’
    • Main Tank: MVP Black Sign
    • Main Assassin: Tempest Lockdown
    • Flex: eStar Tumi
    • Flex: Naventic Zuna
    • Support: Dignitas Bakery
  • NA vs EU?
    • Support Jfeel: “Hell no, I’ve heard this is a trigger question for Reddit. I have my own opinions but I’m not stepping on this bomb.”
    • Rest of the team: “The upcoming Global Championship should tell :)”
  • Favorite Foreign Players & Teams
    • “AlextheProG was actually good when I watched him play.”
    • “So was TigerJK.”
    • “Obviously eStar XingC.”
    • “Dignitas EU!”
    • “Cloud 9 when they won BlizzCon last year.”
    • “I used to enjoy watching Tempo Storm back when they were good.”

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Thoughts on the Game

  • The ‘Support = Healbot’ Controversy
    • Support Jfeel: “I agree with merryday, although my feelings on the matter are far less extreme. It is very true that supports are in a stale place at the moment. It is especially unrewarding to play support in Hero League because there is very little you can do to proactively influence the game. I never play support in Hero League unless I’m queued with players I know are good.”
    • Jfeel: “I was very disappointed when Medivh was announced as a specialist. I’m fine with occasionally being a ‘healbot’ with zero playmaking potential, but it really does get stale after a while. Blizzard should really think about redefining the support role so that drafts like solo support Tassadar are tournament viable. Not having a dedicated healer shouldn’t mean a guaranteed loss.”
    • “During our recent ‘postseason’ holiday, we played quite a bit of both DotA 2 and League of Legends. All five of us are great fans of Heroes of the Storm and have no thoughts of leaving the game, but we could not deny that playing as a support was much more fun in the other two games. Please give supports more playmaking potential, Blizzard; it makes the game so much more exciting!”

 

  • Most/Least Favorite Map
    • “Everyone hates Garden of Terror. Long, boring games, unrewarding objective.”
  • Favorite Heroes to Play
    • Support Jfeel: “Lunar Li Li on a pink Billie the Kid! ♥ Be sure to specify.”
    • Main Tank Hidden: “Dehaka.”
    • Utility Flex Gilduck: “Gazlowe, Murky, and um… Li-Ming?”
    • Ranged Assassin Nmx31: “Li-Ming, Tracer, and Chromie.”
  • Most Disappointing Heroes
    • “Chromie and Lunara were super meh.”
    • “So is the current state of Leoric…”
    • Support Jfeel: “I was outraged at the shoddy quality of Love Doctor Lt. Morales! All I wanted was a good medic skin… Blizzard please… 😦 “

 

  • Most/Least Favorite Things About the Game
    • MOST: “Speedy games, no items, no CS… we all really love the fundamentals of Heroes of the Storm. It’s such a fun game and we all still love it very much.”
    • LEAST: “Top-of-the-ladder matchmaking is a very serious problem. Blizzard once asked pro players for some online feedback on the game; virtually every team from every major region had something to say about this issue. It’s such a terrible experience for everyone.”
    • “When the game matches us with anyone below mid-Masters, the low-MMR are frustrated as they are unfairly ‘kidnapped’ to a level of play beyond their comprehension, and the high-MMR people find no point in playing because the ‘kidnapped’ people run around like headless ducks and hardly feel different from AI. We would rather wait 30 minutes to play a proper game than wait 5 minutes to play a shoddy ****fest – please put a limit on how far above and below the game can pair you with.”
    • “When Hero League matchmaking was at its absolute worst, we actually gave up on it entirely and played inhouse customs with other pros. We had much more fun there, but we quit after a while because we realized this would be terrible for the health of the game. Come on Blizzard, we know you can do better.”

 

  • How Important is Individual Skill?
    • “If we were to measure in ratios how important are individual skill, teamwork, and drafting… we would say it would be around 3:3:4 for most teams. The ratio of course does differ for every team. TNL feels like a 3:4:3. Tempest feels like a 4:4:2.”
    • “Individual skill both truly matters and is very noticeable in this game. Those who disagree are either 1) saying that as a defense mechanism for being bad at this game or 2) so narrowminded as to believe that killing everyone in three hits with six items is the only form of carrying a game.”
    • “How an individual can carry in Heroes of the Storm feels much closer to how an individual can carry in traditional team sports. In League of Legends and DotA 2, once you make a few three-pointers, your next three-pointer counts for four points, then ten, then twenty. If you’re stomping hard enough, it doesn’t even feel like a team game from a certain point on. We’re not saying this kind of carrying is bad. The point is that Heroes is much more of a team game, has more ‘traditional-sport’ carry mechanics, and that we love Heroes for having such characteristics.”

 

  • ‘Hero League Meta’
    • “There always will be an optimal way, or several distinct optimal ways, to play the game at a professional level. In Hero League, however, as long as the picks make some kind of sense and are executed well, there is little reason to conform to the standard professional meta. People should not verbally harass their team or threaten to intentionally feed, just because the first pick locked in Murky or the last pick decided to not play support.”
  • Add These Heroes: Blizzard Please
    • Support Jfeel: “HOLY ****, I’M THE BIGGEST BLIZZARD FANBOY THERE IS. THIS IS MY QUESTION TO ANSWER. MALTHAEL! KHADGAR! ANDUIN WRYNN!”
    • Entire team: “THE LIGHT SHALL BURN YOU!”
    • Support Jfeel: “NO I HAVE MORE! VALEERA SANGUINAR! OH, AND ALL OVERWATCH HEROES!”
    • Ranged Assassin Nmx31: “Especially Mercy.”
    • Support Jfeel: “ESPECIALLY MERCY!”
  • Balance Patches: Blizzard Please
    • “The main complaint we have with Blizzard is their pace. Most players are okay with the balance patches themselves; Blizzard does a good job with balance for the most part. But they need to come faster. Many fun heroes are regularly left in the dust for an entire season or more – Jaina, Artanis, etc. – because they are left hanging for some love they desperately need. Not to mention ‘dead’ heroes such as Gazlowe and Sgt. Hammer…”

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Thoughts on their Careers & the Scene

  • Why Did You Decide to Go Pro?
    • Flex Gilduck: “AS A DIEHARD BLIZZARD FANBOY I HAD BLIND FAITH!”
    • Ranged Assassin Nmx31: “SAME!”
    • Support Jfeel: “AS EVEN MORE OF A DIEHARD BLIZZARD FANBOY, BEING ABLE TO PLAY AS ARTHAS THE LICH KING WAS ENOUGH FOR ME!”
    • Main Tank Hidden: “I was actually preparing to debut as a League of Legends pro player, but after two days of playing Heroes of the Storm after its release, I knew this was the game I wanted to play. I fell in love right away. It was so fun.”
  • How Long Do You Want to Play?
    • Entire team: “As long as we can.”
  • Plans After Eventual Retirement
    • “We all want to stay in eSports in whatever capacity.”

 

  • State of the Korean Scene
    • “Things are not looking good, but then again we it’s not like we have any inside information. Our job is to play well as a team, not come up with new marketing strategies and business plans for the scene… All we can do as players is to trust Blizzard, OGN, and our management.”
  • State of Korean Hero League
    • “A few amateur players looked quite promising, but their Battletags aren’t SFW so please keep them off the record.”
  • Suggestions: Blizzard Please
    • “Please turn the regionals into a full league so sponsors find it more attractive – we don’t know much about other regions but the infrastructure for a full league is already here in Korea.”
    • “Please financially support teams participating in the league, especially teams without a sponsor. This will allow promising amateur players to actually stay in the scene and thus grow the region’s talent pool & quality of play. The ‘funding’ system worked brilliantly for League of Legends; there is no reason why Heroes of the Storm should not do the same, especially when our scene needs it more.”

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Miscellaneous Questions

  • Will RAVE HOTS Stream on Twitch?
    • “We’re all on Azubu because RAVE is contracted with Azubu! Please please come visit our streams – we absolutely love foreign fans and would try to interact in English all the time!”
    • Support Jfeel: “A British gentleman often visits my stream and we try to teach our native language to each other – I’m already ready for English interaction! Please please please please come visit our streams!”

Hamelin: http://www.azubu.tv/Hamelin
Gilduck: http://www.azubu.tv/Gilduck
Hidden: http://www.azubu.tv/Hidden
Jfeel: http://www.azubu.tv/JeongFeel
Nmx31: http://www.azubu.tv/NMX31

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